Heavy Cream and Chocolate Syrup: How We Used to Settle Arguments

Dave Tate  |  elitefts

Thirty years ago, if you wanted to shut somebody up, you had to go get in his weight class and beat him. Now you make a burner account.

Some guy ran his mouth.

I don't remember what he said anymore. I remember that he said it, and I remember deciding I was going to shut him up. That was the entire thought process. There was no counter-argument, no long reply, no screenshot sent to three people asking if I should respond. There was one option available to me and it was the platform.

There was a complication. He lifted 242 and I was a soft 220. If I wanted to beat him I had to go get in his weight class, which meant I had roughly sixteen weeks to find twenty pounds.

So I found them.

What Gaining Weight Looked Like Back Then

Heavy cream with chocolate syrup mixed into it. Butter, which I ate in ways I'm not going to describe in detail because somebody's mother reads this site. Maltodextrin dumped into anything that held liquid. Whole milk by the half gallon. Peanut butter eaten off a spoon at eleven at night while I watched TV and felt like garbage.

Was it smart? No. Nobody was calling it a bulking protocol. There was no macro split, no body composition scan, no coach sending me a spreadsheet. The goal was twenty pounds by weigh-in and the method was whatever got me there.

Here's the part people leave out when they tell that story like it's funny. The eating was the easy half. The other half was sixteen weeks of training while carrying weight I wasn't used to, sleeping badly, and dragging a body that felt swollen through squat sessions that got harder every week. My bench went up. My cardio went to hell. My knees hurt in a new place. I stayed with it because there was a date on the calendar and a guy who was going to be standing in the same room on that date.

I had already paid the entry fee. That was the part that made it real. You can talk yourself out of almost anything, but it gets harder once you've spent the money and told people you're doing it.

Meet Day Doesn't Care What You Think

You weigh in. You warm up in a crowded back room with guys you don't know, handing off to each other because that's what you do. You wrap your knees while somebody calls your name. You walk out.

Three judges. Three lights. That's the whole conversation.

Nobody asks about your training philosophy. Nobody cares which program you ran or what you think about bar speed or whether your setup is optimal. The bar either goes up to lockout with three whites or it doesn't, and then somebody writes a number on a sheet of paper and the argument is over.

I don't remember if I beat him. I genuinely don't. What I remember is what the process did to me, which turned out to matter a lot more than the outcome.

What That Process Actually Teaches You

It teaches you to commit before you talk

Entry fee, weigh-in, three attempt cards with numbers written on them in your own handwriting. You have to declare what you think you can do before you do it, in front of people, with no way to quietly adjust the story afterward.

It teaches you to be wrong in public

Bombing out is not a private event. You miss three squats and you're done, and you sit there in the room for the rest of the day with a zero next to your name while everybody else keeps lifting. That happens to most people who compete long enough. It's humbling in a way nothing on a screen can replicate, because there's no delete button and no way to reframe it.

It teaches you what your opinion is worth

The first time somebody who out-totals you by two hundred pounds tells you that you're wrong, you get an education in about four seconds. Not because he's automatically right. Because you suddenly understand you've been arguing from theory and he's been arguing from twenty years of doing it.

It teaches you that respect is measurable

Everybody in that room knew everybody's number. Nobody had to be told who to listen to. The strongest guy in the gym wasn't the strongest guy because he said so. He was the strongest guy because there was a scoresheet.

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Same guy. Same mouth. Different response.

Now you make a fake profile and tell him he sucks.

No name on it. No total attached. No federation, no meet history, no video shot from the side where anybody could actually see the depth. Just an anonymous account with a stock photo and a very firm opinion about somebody else's squat.

And when you push on it, you get the same answer every time. "I've done my research."

Which means you watched people. Specifically, you watched people who also never competed. That's the loop. Coaching advice getting passed down through three or four generations of guys who have never had to test any of it in a singlet with a judge watching, each one more confident than the last, none of them having ever been publicly, permanently, scoresheet-documented wrong.

Let's be clear about what I'm not saying

I am not saying you have to compete to lift. Most people who train shouldn't compete and don't want to, and that's completely fine. Training for your own reasons is the point. I've said that for twenty-five years and I'll keep saying it. What I'm saying is narrower than that, and I think it's harder to argue with.

You Haven't Earned the Right to Run Your Mouth

There's a difference between having an opinion and having a data point.

An opinion costs nothing. You can hold one forever, be completely wrong about it the entire time, and never find out. There's no mechanism that corrects you. Nobody writes your opinion down on a sheet of paper and adds it up at the end of the day.

A total costs something. Sixteen weeks, an entry fee, a weight cut or a weight gain, a day of your life, and the possibility of finding out in front of a room full of people that you were not as strong as you thought you were. That cost is exactly what makes the number mean anything.

Conviction without consequence is just noise.

That's the whole problem with the burner account. It's not that the guy is rude. It's that he's risk-free. He can be as certain as he wants because certainty costs him nothing and being wrong costs him nothing, so the loudest voice in the conversation is structurally guaranteed to be the one with the least skin in it.

The coaching version is worse, and it's everywhere. Cues that have never survived a third attempt. Setups that work great at seventy percent and fall apart the second the weight gets heavy enough to scare you. Programming built entirely from other people's content instead of from watching a lifter you're responsible for miss a weight and having to figure out why. Every experienced coach can spot it inside one conversation, because the advice is always too clean. Real coaching is full of exceptions and workarounds and things that shouldn't work but do for this particular person.

This Isn't a Toughness Lecture

I'm not telling you the old days were better. A lot of them weren't. We did stupid things because we didn't know any better, and some of the guys I trained with paid for it. Drinking heavy cream to make weight is not something I'd put in a program today.

What was better was the accountability structure, and that was mostly by accident. There was nowhere to hide. If you had something to say about strength, the room expected you to have lifted something. Not a lot. Just something. Enough that you had personally found out what happens when you're under a weight that doesn't care about your theory.

That structure is gone now, and nothing replaced it. So it has to be a choice.

Put Your Name on Something

You don't have to compete. You do have to be accountable to a number somebody else can check.

Compete if you want to. It's the cleanest version and I'd recommend it to anybody who's been training seriously for a couple of years and has never done it. But if competing isn't for you, there are other ways to put your name on something.

Keep a training log that's actually honest, including the sessions that went badly. Film your lifts from the side and watch them, not to post them, but to find out if you're lifting the way you think you're lifting. Test a real max in front of somebody who will tell you the truth about your depth. Coach one person for six months and be responsible for the outcome. Post a number with your name attached instead of a take with your name hidden.

All of these do the same thing. They create a moment where reality gets a vote.

Here's what I've watched happen over thirty years, every single time. Somebody with strong opinions finally enters a meet. They train for it. They show up. They go nine for nine or they bomb out, either one works for this. And afterward they're quieter. Not beaten down. Quieter in a good way, the way people get when they've replaced a stack of borrowed opinions with a short list of things they actually know.

That's the trade. You give up the ability to be certain about everything, and you get back a handful of things you're certain about for real.

Pick a Date

If you've been lifting a while and you've never done a meet, go find one about sixteen weeks out. Pick a federation, any federation, and stop researching which one is best. Pay the entry fee today while you're still annoyed enough at this article to do it. Then tell somebody, because that's the part that keeps you from quietly backing out in week nine when training gets hard and life gets busy.

Train for a total instead of a highlight clip. Learn the commands. Get your equipment sorted early so you're not figuring out a bench shirt for the first time two weeks out. Get handoffs from people who know what they're doing. Miss some weights in training so missing one at the meet isn't a brand new experience.

And after it's over, when you've got a number with your name on it, go back and look at how badly you wanted to argue with strangers before you had one.

My guess is it won't seem like a very good use of your time anymore.

Live. Learn. Pass On.

Dave Tate
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